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But like, someone CAN be heavier and still healthy. It isn't mutually exclusive. Anyway, I think this is SUCH an important post, and one we REALLY need to think about more often. VERY well said, Amanda!!Shannon @ It Starts at Midnighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10043593641190645773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1150415267441377306.post-68347561933739752322016-11-25T22:25:42.013+00:002016-11-25T22:25:42.013+00:00This is such a great post! I have been thinking ab...This is such a great post! I have been thinking about this recently -- I might post about it myself -- beauty in YA. I think we have three YA heroines right now. #1 is the unapologetically beautiful, eg Celaena. #2 is the Cinderella, eg Katniss -- Collins doesn't make a big deal of her looks, but by the time we get to Cinna and the Girl on Fire there can be no doubt. (Interesting thought that's just occurred to me: is Cinna a play on Cinderella? Because he gives her her Cinderella moment?) Then there's #3, the imperfect/not part of the social norm of thin and big-breasted. That's Tris -- small, skinny, mousy -- Clary with her "no boobs" and Cinder with her "boyish figure". Books are OK, apparently, with girls NOT having curves. But they can't quite bear to push it the other way. Unless, that is, it's the focal point of the book, eg Dumplin' or The DUFF, which both have fat in the title, pretty much. (Not that I've read either of them, so can't fully comment.) So whilst books are maybe doing a *little* bit, by saying it's OK not to have boobs/whatever, they're not doing much. (Especially because, for girls who are fat or think themselves fat, that "oh look Cinder has a boyish figure" really isn't that comforting. Like, great. Must be tough for you, Cinder ...) So I would love fat girls where it isn't all about being fat. Which is why I love Amber. Derek Landy is my literal hero. (And can we just say, SPX!!!!!!!)<br /><br />I would also like to see more fat boys. 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